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Ablative of Place from Which

A&G §426–428|3 rules|0 practice questions

When Vergil writes Trōiae quī prīmus ab ōrīs Ītaliam … vēnit — "the man who first came from the shores of Troy" — ab ōrīs names the place from which. The ablative answers whence? — where motion starts.

Learnings0 core · 1 AP claim

AP framework claims (1)— verbatim from AP CED
GRAM-1.QSome nouns, especially the names of cities, can use the locative case to show location and are translated "at ____" or "in ____" (e.g., Romae: in Rome). Nouns that use the locative case show where something goes to ("place to where") with the accusative case without a preposition (e.g., Romam: to Rome), and where something comes from ("place from where") with the ablative case without a preposition (e.g., Romā: from Rome).
Pattern
ab / dē / ex + ablative — the general rule (regions, peoples, common nouns)
bare ablative — names of towns, small islands, domus, rūs
urbs / oppidum / īnsula — always with a preposition
Ablative of Place from Which

"from X", "out of X", "down from X" — answers whence?

Geography decides the form. Town/small-island names drop the preposition; everything else keeps it.

Ablative of Place from Which — Form Choices
1
ab + ablative — away from, especially with regions and peoples
ab ōrīs Trōiae "from the shores of Troy" (Aen. i. 1)
critical
2
ex + ablative — out of, motion from inside
ex Galliā prōficīscitur "he sets out from Gaul"
critical
3
dē + ablative — down from, motion downward or off
dē monte dēscendit "he descends from the mountain"
important
4
Bare ablative — names of towns, small islands, domus, rūs
Rōmā profectus, Athēnīs vēnit, domō exiit
critical
5
ex urbe + town name — urbs / oppidum / īnsula always carry the preposition
ex urbe Rōmā "out of the city of Rome"
common

See It In Action

Trōiae quī prīmus ab ōrīs Ītaliam … vēnit
the man who first came from the shores of Troy to Italy

— Verg. Aen. i. 1–2

Vergil opens with the canonical ab + ablative for place from which — ab ōrīs, "from the shores." ōrae is a common noun (region / coast), so the preposition is required. If Aeneas had set out from a city — Trōiā profectus — Latin would drop the ab per §427.

Rōmā profectus est
he set out from Rome

— common Caesar / Cicero idiom

The §427 rule in action. Names of cities (Rōmā, Athēnīs, Carthāgine) drop the preposition for place from which. Pair this with the corresponding place-to-which (Rōmam — accusative, no preposition) and place-where (Rōmae — locative) and you have the city-name triplet that's so common in Caesar.

Place from Which vs. Ablative of Separation

Close cousins — both use ab / ex / dē + abl. (or bare abl. for city names). The difference is concrete vs. abstract motion.

Place from Which

physical motion: the noun names a location you move out of

ex urbe profectus est

"he set out from the city"

Separation

figurative removal: the noun names something you're deprived of, freed from, or lacking

metū līberātī sumus

"we have been freed from fear"

Tip: Ask: is the ablative a place (geography, building, region)? Then it's place from which. Is it an abstraction (fear, danger, debt) or thing (eyes, kingdom)? Then it's separation. The form converges; the content separates them.

Quick Check

Why does Caesar write Rōmā profectus without a preposition, but ab ōrīs with ab?

Study Tips

  • •Default rule: place from which is ablative + ab / dē / ex. ab = away from, dē = down from, ex = out from.
  • •Names of towns and small islands drop the preposition: Rōmā profectus "having set out from Rome"; Athēnīs "from Athens". Same rule applies to domō ("from home") and rūre ("from the country").
  • •urbs, oppidum, īnsula always need a preposition. Even when paired with a town name, ex urbe Rōmā "out of the city of Rome."
  • •Place from which often blends with the ablative of source (origin / material). Both use ab / ex / dē + abl; context decides whether the start-point is geographic or origin-of-something.

Related Topics

Ablative of SeparationAblative of Cause

Edited by Baris Yildirim·After Allen & Greenough §§426–428 (1903)

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